Dr Mazlan talks about the famed Ankasawan programme that she oversaw. She recalls how Dr. Mahathir wanted such a program to inspire the masses. It was Dr Mazlan who suggested that it should be open to all Malaysians to apply. She recalls how the press were very critical of the program at first and how merciless they were about various aspects of the program such as her suggestion to involve teh tarik experiments, which was very much about fluid dynamics. She says it was the most difficult three years of her career.